Thursday, May 31, 2012

Speculation: did my 22-page letter to Clint Hill trouble him-divorce, burned notes, books?

Thursday, May 31, 2012

Speculation: did my 22-page letter to Clint Hill trouble him-divorce, burned notes, books?

In June 2005, I sent former agent Clint Hill a 22-page letter as a sort of "Cliff Notes" version of my research, especially with regard to everything his many colleagues told me; namely, that JFK did NOT order the agents off his limo. Gerald Blaine, whom I spoke to the day after an angry conversation with Hill (his best friend) that same month, quoted from my letter and even later admitted that he began writing his book during that time period [I am on pages 359-360 of Blaine's book and, as many have pointed out, it is obvious several other pages "refer" to my work. Blaine also had his lawyer send me a letter, etc. See my review:
 See also:
]. Compare the 3/22/06 CNN/ Larry King transcript with the (partial) 5/27/12 C-SPAN transcript of interviews conducted with Mr Hill---the former agent admits burning ALL his notes in 2005 and that he is now divorced from his still-living wife, whom he says he has been apart from for some time, yet, the two were still married as of early 2006, as the King transcript demonstrates. Gwen and Clint have two sons and several grandchildren, as they were married for quite some time: 45+ years. Since Hill has been clean and sober since 1982 (30 years ago) and claims to have released the demons of 11/22/63, so to speak, when he and his wife visited Dallas in 1990 (22 years ago), WHY THE BURNED NOTES? THE STATISTICAL ODDITY OF A LATE-IN-LIFE, LONG-MARRIAGE-ENDING DIVORCE? DID my letter cause Mr Hill personal turmoil? The need to write a book (or two)? Burning his notes? Divorcing his wife? If so, I am very sorry. I do admire Mr Hill and his book "Mrs Kennedy and Me", other than a few short passages I disagree with, is FANTASTIC. See my online review:
 Mr Hill and C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb (with Blaine the first time) brought my name up BOTH times during his two C-SPAN appearances...interesting.
LAMB: As aside by the way, the fellow we talked about in the last interview, Vince Palamara. HILL: Yes. LAMB: You’ve seen his letter to the – about your book? HILL: I have not read it, no. LAMB: I’m sure you probably know that he said that ”Mrs. Kennedy and Me” is highly recommended to everyone for its honesty and rich body of truth. He actually fully endorsed your book even though he’s been critical of … HILL: I’ll accept his-praise thank you. LAMB: … are you worried that he’s not being …? HILL: Maybe he has some secret agenda, I don’t know. But I accept his praise, thank you.
 LAMB: Now, we got some video from YouTube, one of the things you say in your book, that made you want to write this book was all the conspiracy theories and you talked about the movie from Oliver Stone. This is a man named Vince Palamara. Do you know him? BLAINE: I am familiar with him, I don’t k now him. LAMB: He says that – and I guess we’ll talk about this, that he sent you a 22 page letter? HILL: I recall receiving a letter which I sent back to him. I didn’t bother with it. LAMB: You didn’t talk to him ever? HILL: he called me and I said ”Hello” but that was about it. LAMB: And over the years, have you both been called about this assassination on many occasions. HILL: I had been called numerous times. LAMB: What has been your attitude, how have you approached the people… HILL: For the most part, I just said I have no comment, I just have nothing to say. LAMB: And why is that? HILL: Well, most of it is from people who are writing conspiracy theory books that don’t make any sense to me so if they are not going to deal in facts, then I don’t want anything to do with it. LAMB: And how about you, what you been… HILL: I have never talked to any author of a book and that – I just felt we had it on our commission books, worthy of trust of confidence and I felt those were issues that you should never talk to anybody on the outside about. And it was – I had to weigh and evaluate when I wrote this book because I felt I wasn’t talking about the Secret Service, I wasn’t talking about the Kennedy Family, but I was talking about the agents that I work with and the incidents that occurred and those were my friends. So that’s when I decided to write. LAMB: Did you have to get permission to do this from the secret service? HILL: No. LAMB: So this wasn’t cleared by the Secret Services? HILL: No. BLAINE: No, but we had lunch today with the director of the Secret Service who thanked us very much for our contribution. LAMB: Here is this video, it’s not very long and this man’s name is Vince Palamara, he is a citizen who has taken it on its own to become an expert. He is from Pennsylvania and I don’t know him, I have talked to him and I have just seen it on the web and he is – I believe he is a graduate of Duquesne University so let us watch this and I’ll get your reaction. BLAINE: OK. START OF VIDEO. VINCE PALAMARA: Hi, this is Vince Palamara. The self described Secret Service expert that Jerry Blaine accuses me of – naming me, OK? Back with my obsession about the Kennedy detail. I got to read this, this is rich. Page 287, is what Blaine is claiming that Rowley said. Rowley turned to Jerry Blaine. ”And Jerry, since you are in the lead car, did you ever hear this over your radio as well?” ”Yes, sir. I did. I heard exactly what Floyd just told you.” The thing about this, this is the whole thing about the Ivy League charlatans’ thing. Jerry Blaine told me that the Ivy League charlatans thing came from the guys. I can’t remember – I can’t remember who said it. Boy, his memory got real good five years later because now, he is claiming he heard it over the radio, Floyd Boring, OK? It’s unbelievable, and it’s just amazing to me, you know, there never would have been a book if I didn’t send a 22 page letter, OK, to Clint Hill, that pissed him off so much that his very good friend, Jerry Blaine, came out with his book as counter. OK? These are some things I recommend everyone to buy it online, no censorship, it’s my First Amendment rights, OK? There are some nice pictures and nice known assassination things, and there are even some good assassination related things in here but it’s very odd, since other people picked up on that’s why there are some really bad reviews on Amazon right now, mine is the best, mine is a three stars too. It’s very obvious that it’s a thinly veiled attempt to rewrite history and to blame President Kennedy without trying to blame him for his own assassination. END OF VIDEO. LAMB: First of all, his is not of the best of the reviews, there are seven with five stars just in case for the record that I saw today when I looked on Amazon. What’s your reaction, could you hear? BLAINE: Well, he wrote an assessment of the book about the – first time about five weeks before it was released. The second time on, he and four of his friends or four of his aliases put a statement on assessing the book a one, a two, and a three. My assessment of Mr. Palamara is that he called probably all of the agents, and what agent who answers a phone is going to answer a question ”Was President Kennedy easy to protect? Well, probably he was too easy to protect because he was assassinated.” But the fact that the agents aren’t going to tell him anything and he alludes to the fact that when I wrote the book, most of these people were dead. Well, I worked with these people, I knew them like brothers and I knew exactly what was going on and always respected Jim Rowley because he stood up to the issue and said ”Look, we can’t say the President invited himself to be killed so let’s squash this.” So that was the words throughout the Secret Service and he – Mr. Palamara is – there are a number of things that had happened that he has no credibility, he is a self-described expert in his area which I don’t know what it is, he was born after the assassination and he keeps creating solutions to the assassination until they are proven wrong. So he is… LAMB: A lot about – HILL: But he alleges that because he sent me a letter 22 pages in length apparently, and that I discussed that with Jerry. I forgot that I ever got a 22-page letter from this particular individual until I heard him say it on TV and I never discussed it with Jerry or anybody else because it wasn’t important to me. And so far as him being an expert, I don’t know where the expert part came from. I spent a long time in the Secret Service in protection and I’m not an expert, but apparently he became an expert somewhere up in Pennsylvania, I don’t know where.
 3/22/2006 KING: You bet. We'll be right back with Mike Wallace and one of his all-time favorite guests. Don't go away. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) WALLACE: Can I take you back to November 22, 1963? You were on the fender of the Secret Service car right behind President Kennedy's car. Was there anything that the Secret Service or that Clint Hill could have done to keep that from happening? CLINT HILL, FMR. SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Clint Hill, yes. WALLACE: Clint Hill, yes? What do you mean? HILL: If he had reacted about five-tenths of a second faster, maybe a second faster, I wouldn't be here today. WALLACE: You mean you would have gotten there and you would have taken the shot? HILL: The third shot, yes sir. WALLACE: And that would have been all right with you? HILL: That would have been fine with me. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: We love to surprise our guests but Mike told us that one of his favorite guests was Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent who rode on the back of the limo carrying John F. Kennedy to his death. Here's a clip to watch and then we'll meet Clint in person. Watch. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HILL: Had I turned in a different direction I'd have made it. It's my fault. WALLACE: Oh. No one has ever suggested that for an instant. What you did was show great bravery and great presence of mind. What was on the citation that was given you for your work on November 22, 1963? HILL: I don't care about that. WALLACE: Extraordinary courage and heroic effort in the face of maximum danger. HILL: Mike, I don't care about that. If I had reacted just a little bit quicker and I could have I guess and I'll live with that to my grave. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Mike didn't know we were going to get him here but we got him in Washington. WALLACE: Oh, the dickens, I've tried. KING: Clint Hill. WALLACE: He didn't want to talk about it. KING: Clint, in fact you turned down Mike in 2003 right? HILL: That's correct. KING: Why? HILL: I just don't like to be interviewed about the assassination anymore. KING: Why did you do the first one? HILL: At that time I never thought it would turn out the way it did obviously. I only accepted the interview because I thought it would be interesting and I had seen "60 Minutes" and knew what they were doing and I thought it would be very much an interesting project so I did it, little did I know that it would turn out the way it turned out. KING: Do you regret it? HILL: Not at all. I have to thank Mike for asking me to do that interview and then thank him more because he's what caused me to finally come to terms with things and bring the emotions out where they were surfaced. It was because of his questions and the things he asked that I started to recover. KING: Mike, what a... WALLACE: Clint, I have, I continue to have so much admiration for you, your wife. And you remember I tried to get you to come on the 40th anniversary. HILL: Yes. WALLACE: 2003 and you didn't want to and people ask me how you are and I say well the last time I talked he lives someplace close to Washington and he's -- the monkey, if you will, is off his back. He realizes that he wasn't in any sense responsible for the death of JFK. But for a Secret Service man who, I mean come on these guys they're superb and they work so hard and they're so brave and he felt that he had let down the Secret Service. Oh, what a joy to see you again, sir. HILL: Well it's good to see you Mike. WALLACE: Thank you, sir. KING: What are you doing Clint? HILL: I am completely retired. I'm a homebody, my wife and I and our kids and grandkids. KING: Did you finish service with the Secret Service? HILL: I retired in '75. KING: So you did another 12 years. Were you assigned to presidents? HILL: Oh, I was assigned to -- when I left -- after the assassination they had me stay with Mrs. Kennedy and the kids for a year and after the presidential election in '64 they returned me to the White House on the detail. I was a shift agent. I don't think President Johnson was too happy I was there. In fact, I know he wasn't. But some of the agents that knew him, worked with him, convinced him that I was a pro and that I was going to do a good job. I ended up being the agent in charge of presidential protection in '67 when Johnson was still in office and I was -- when Nixon came in they moved me over to the vice president, SAIC job. Then they moved me to headquarters and I became an assistant director for all protection. That's the job I retired from. KING: Glad of that service? HILL: Oh, very much so, very proud of the Secret Service. I was very lucky to be a member of the Secret Service. When I came in there were about 275 agents worldwide total. It was very, very hard to get in. You only got in when somebody died or retired. KING: Mike, what's history going to say about Clint Hill? WALLACE: Oh, my. Particularly with this, particularly with this he -- this conversation that you're having with him going with the first conversation that I had with him, I mean come on, bravery, anguish, love of country, character. KING: You should feel so proud that you helped him get over that stigma. WALLACE: I do. I do. I do. HILL: You really helped me. If it hadn't been for that interview, I don't know what would have happened. WALLACE: Oh, thank you Clint. KING: Were you suffering from depression then? WALLACE: I was suffering for -- when did we do this in? HILL: Seventy-five. WALLACE: No, not yet. KING: Clint, I thank you very much. I salute you for your service. HILL: Thank you, Larry. KING: And I thank you for coming here tonight on this special occasion for Mike Wallace. HILL: Thank you very much. Good luck Mike. WALLACE: Same to you Clint. HILL: My wife says hello. KING: As we go to break another one of Mike's favorites. We'll be right back. ----------------------------------------
 LAMB: Did you – did you keep notes? HILL: I did, but I destroyed them a few years ago which really made it more difficult. LAMB: Why did you destroy them? HILL: I promised that I would never write a book. I vowed that I would never do so, never contribute to a book, never talk to anybody about it and so just to kind of make sure I would never get my self involve, I burned everything. There are few mementos I kept, but for the most part, I burned all my notes and now when the opportunity presents itself and I decided to do it. I had to go back and talked to other agents who I work with, who did have – still have some notes. And to check everything through newspaper archives for dates and times and places to make sure I was accurate and so it was very tedious to go through this and write the book. LAMB: Do you remember the year you burned your notes? HILL: It is 2012 – it was after maybe 2005, something like that. ; HILL: Well my wife and I are not together and haven’t been for sometime. LAMB: She’s still alive? HILL: Yes.

Wednesday, May 30, 2012


May 27, 2012 Clint Hill Author, "Mrs. Kennedy and Me" [note: this has aired 3 times so far: twice on 5/27/12 and once on 5/28/12] Program Details Watch Program More Information Buy DVD/VHS Info: Former United States Secret Service agent Clint Hill discusses his recent historical narrative titled “Mrs. Kennedy and Me.” Hill describes the period of time he was assigned to guard Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy, wife of John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States. His protective detail assignment begins shortly after Kennedy’s election as President in November 1960, until after the election of Lyndon Johnson in 1964. From those four years, he shares stories about the former first lady’s travels to Europe, Asia, and South America. He details the birth of her sons John and Patrick and Patrick’s sudden death. Hill tells about being in the motorcade in Dallas when the President was killed, and the effect that had on his own life for the next fifty years. He discusses his own boyhood growing up as an adopted child in North Dakota, as well as his evolving relationship with the Kennedy family, and the farewell party Mrs. Kennedy hosted when Hill left her protective detail. He also talks about his co-author, Lisa McCubbin, who collaborated with agent Gerald Blaine for the 2009 book titled “The Kennedy Detail.”
 Uncorrected transcript provided by Morningside Partners. C-SPAN uses its best efforts to provide accurate transcripts of its programs, but it can not be held liable for mistakes such as omitted words, punctuation, spelling, mistakes that change meaning, etc. BRIAN LAMB: Clint Hill, author of ”Mrs. Kennedy and Me.” What would be the difference if you we’re a secret service agent today and a Mrs. Kennedy that you knew then would come along, how would you do things differently? CLINT HILL: We’ll I know I have a great deal more assistance than I had in the past. Back in those days, there were only two of us assigned to Mrs. Kennedy. And today there are more than two other but a few more I don’t know exactly what the number is, but that’s very beneficial. Also, today there are female agents that are available. We didn’t have that a luxury back in 1960, ’61, ’62, ’63. So it made a great deal of difference. I believe she would have been as popular today as she was then which created problems because no matter where she went, it draw a crowd and that cause the problem. But we’d manage to deal with it and handle things the best we could and then she seemed pleased with what we did. LAMB: You have a story in your book about the man named Roddy Mims. HILL: Yes, Roddy Mims. Roddy was a photographer in Washington D.C. And he was – somewhat of a harassment to me and to others and on one occasion, he did something that I was very upset about. I’d arranged for Mrs. Kennedy would arrive in Washington D.C. at national airport which on a military flight which was very unusual for her. But to do so privately separate section of the airport – National airport. We had arranged for the White House cars to be situated outside the fence awaiting our arrival. And when we get, the plane stopped the propeller stopped and ready to let Mrs. Kennedy get off, they open the gate to let the White House drivers, bring the cars in. And as we walk down the ramp, I notice not only the cars were coming in, but there was a motorcycle coming in which was unknown to me or unscheduled. You know, there were two people on the motorcycle, the one in the back had a camera and it was shooting away and it was Roddy Mims. And he had penetrated the security. So I ran and I grabbed them and I took his camera and I took all his film. And we went to the White House, he was very upset, I had to turn him over to the police because of his activities. They didn’t arrest him but they held them for a while. When I got the White House the first thing that happened I got word the president wanted to see me. So I went in to the Oval Office and there was the president and he had Pierre Salinger, his press secretary with him. And they said that ”What happened out at national airport?” So I explained the situation to them. And the president looked at me and said ”Unfortunately, you’re going to be the scapegoat in this situation.” We can afford to have the press anger at us for what happened there at national airport and so you are going to get the blame. And we’re going to return the film to the company that Roddy’s working for. So I gave him the film and they gave it to the appropriate company and I answered to my supervisors and explained that I was just doing the best I could to try and maintain her privacy. They understood – the president understood also but he said ”Unfortunately, I was going to have to take the blame for it.” LAMB: You didn’t you use a word in your book about Roddy Mims former UPI photographer, did you accuse him of being obnoxious? HILL: He was very obnoxious. One of the more obnoxious people that I ever dealt with as a matter of fact and I’ve heard that same story from other people, even other members of the press that Roddy Mims was in fact obnoxiouos. LAMB: There’s a story in your book about Frank Sinatra and you taking a phone call? HILL: I used to take a number of phone calls from Mr. Sinatra. He would call regularly. On one occasion he called and it was in December 1961 after Ambassador Kennedy had a stroke. And he wanted to talk to Mrs. Kennedy – Jacqueline Kennedy. And I had informed that I had been instructed to inform the operators that when he called there were to channel the calls through me. And so I talked to him and I explained to him that what was going on that we’re on Palm Beach at that time. And then we talked for 10, 15 minutes about various things and that was kind of common occurrence. Whenever he called, I ended up talking to him. LAMB: Why didn’t Mrs. Kennedy take the call? HILL: She just didn’t find it necessary to talk to him all the time. She’d inform me that when she did get around it, she’ll call him and say hello, visit with them for a while, but I don’t that she ever did perhaps so, but I’m not sure. LAMB: Your book has already been on the best seller list and you’ve been on the book tour. How many different cities have you been to? HILL: We’ll let see, New York, twice; Kansas City, San Diego, La Joya, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Chicago and Washington D.C. and we still have more to go. LAMB: What if you found the public to be interested in when they’ve been questioning you? HILL: They are just interested in the fact that this was a book that paints a portrait of Mrs. Kennedy tells her – tells about her life what she was really like during that four years that I was with her. There isn’t any gossip in there, no salacious information. It’s just what happened, what she was like, things that she liked to do, how humorous she was at times, how athletic she was at times and how intelligent she was and how to her – kind of rambunctious she was. She tried to put me to the test many, many times and I did my best to meet that. LAMB: I wrote down a quote, ”Whatever you do in Greece do not let Mrs. Kennedy cross paths with Aristotle Onassis,” who said that? HILL: President Kennedy told me – gave me that instruction in 1961 when Mrs. Kennedy went to Greece. The first time she went there alone. She went there alone, she had her sister, Lee, with her – she went there, she wanted to see the open air theater with – we were on our yacht name the North Wind, I believe it was. And the instructions from the president before I left went on advance, I did the advance for the trip was not to let Mrs. Kennedy cross paths with Aristotle Onassis. And he gave me those instructions in the presence of his brother, the attorney general. Now when I went back to my office, I tried to research, why because I didn’t know exactly why. And I found out that Onassis was in legal trouble with the United States government. And it appeared to me that the reason was for them not wanting that two to cross paths was it was going to be a political embarrassment for the President and for the party if she were seen in the company of Aristotle Onassis. LAMB: So how much time did she spend around him? HILL: Never saw him in 1961. LAMB: In 1961? HILL: Never saw him in 1961. She had met him with the President at one time previous in an island off the coast of Europe I’d have to think it was the Mediterranean. Because his yacht was in the harbor, they were there, Winston Churchill was on board the yacht and the then Senator Kennedy wanted to meet Winston Churchill and they arrangedthrough mutual friends the Johnny Angelliand to go aboard and meet Winston Churchill. So she had met him. She didn’t see him in 1961, she did see him in 1963. LAMB: Three hundred and twenty five-foot yacht name, Cristina. HILL: Very nice – very nice yacht. LAMB: How much time did you spend on it? HILL: I was there from the time that Mrs. Kennedy got on until she got off. It was about 10 days, I believe, almost. LAMB: And why was she there? HILL: In August of 1963, she gave birth to little boy, Patrick Bouvier Kennedy, up at Otis Air Force base in Massachusetts. And two days later young Patrick died and Mrs. Kennedy became very depressed. And her sister, Lee, flew in from London to be with her. Lee and her husband the Prince Radziwill happen to be friends with Onassis. And Onassis had offered her yacht, made it available if they wanted to use it for Mrs. Kennedy’s use. And they decided it would be good idea for her to get away for a while and that yacht would make an excellent platform to just to tour the area and get away from everything. And President Kennedy wanted her to do it. Members of the staff were very concerned about here doing this because they – because a political year of coming up 1964, they were concerned about how it would look. But the President insisted that should be permitted to do it and so we went aboard, toured the Greek islands, when up then to Turkey, came back out and it was a very, very pleasant cruise. LAMB: In your opinion why did she end up marrying him? HILL: I believe it was after Robert Kennedy was killed. She was very distraught about that and she was very concerned about the security of the children and herself. Even though she had secret service protection at that time, up until she remarried, she was still concerned and he offered something that nobody else could offer. Get on the private island, that’s where they lived. He had a private yacht, he had an airline, he had a great big apartment, different things in Paris, he had one in New York, he could offer her everything that she needed to guarantee her privacy and safety. LAMB: How many Presidents have you work for? HILL: Five – Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson Nixon and Ford. LAMB: When you think the back of Dwight Eisenhower, which I haven’t seeing you talk much about what you remember and how old were you? HILL: When I first was assigned to Eisenhower, I was 27. And I know he was retired general, four star general, five star. And he was held in highest regard by everybody worldwide and for a young kid from North Dakota which is where I came from to be in the presence of the President was really special. And he was a remarkable man, he was quite personable and so was Mrs. Eisenhower. They didn’t – he didn’t call us by name. He just referred to us as ”Hey agent” whenever he wanted us to do something or wanted to address us but we respected him immensely. He was great man to be around. He loved to play golf as everybody knows. We spent a lot of time on a golf course and well we travelled a lot too. We traveled all through Europe through Southeast Asia and then through Asia itself down – we went to the Philippines and Taipei, Korea and we had just an enormous experience for me anyway. LAMB: You mentioned North Dakota, what impact did it have on your life that you we’re adopted? HILL: It really didn’t affect me too much. When is was told, I was about five or six years old, a little girl across the street told me that – actually she was teasing me, I was adopted and I didn’t know what it meant. So I went home to my mother to, you know, what was this adopted thing, what’s that? And so she was very concerned about the fact that I found out. She was afraid that I wouldn’t have the same kind of relationship that she and my adoptive father knowing that I really was somebody else’s child. But I also had a sister who was adopted. We weren’t biological, she had been adopted before me. And we kind of formed a bond and we would never raise the issue with my mother because she was so concern and we never did until after she died in 1974. LAMB: Jack Kennedy, the President called you Clint according to your book … HILL: Yes. LAMB: … and then other presidents call you ”Hey, agent”? HILL: Only Eisenhower. President Johnson called me Clint and a few others thing. LAMB: Did he ever swear at you? HILL: In my presence, yes, at me I don’t think so. LAMB: We’ve got some audio tape, you’ve probably heard this of Mrs. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson talking after the assassination near the Christmas time in December of 1963. Let’s listen. (START OF AUDIO TAPE) LYNDON JOHNSON: I hope that you are doing all right. JACQUELINE KENNEDY: Oh I’m doing fine, thank you. JOHNSON: This Congress is getting pretty rough up here and I may have to send for you before it gets through. KENNEDY: I hope you get home for Christmas, will you? JOHNSON: I don’t know, . KENNEDY: . You’re so nice to call me Mr. President, because you must be out of your mind with work piled up JOHNSON: I have a few things to do, but not anything that I enjoy more than what I’m doing now. KENNEDY: You’re nice. JOHNSON: How’s my little girl? KENNEDY: She is fine and John just set off this jet plane, the noise you hear in the background. JOHNSON: Well, tell him hello and I wish all of you a Merry Christmas, I wish I could do something to make it happier for you. KENNEDY: No, you’re so nice and you’ve done everything you could. JOHNSON: Yes, ma’am. KENNEDY: Thank you so much. JOHNSON: And … KENNEDY: Thank you. JOHNSON: … you know, how much we love you. KENNEDY: Well, you’re really nice . JOHNSON: You don’t know? KENNEDY: No I don’t, what do you think? JOHNSON: You better know. KENNEDY: . JOHNSON: All the 180 million love you, dear. KENNEDY: Oh thanks, . JOHNSON: And all the world and I’ll see you after Christmas I hope and if you ever come back here again, don’t come to see me why there’s going to be trouble. KENNEDY: All right, . JOHNSON: You don’t realize I have the FBI at my disposal, do you? KENNEDY: No, I promise, I will. JOHNSON: I ’m gonna send for you, if you don’t come back. KENNEDY: Good. JOHNSON: Or someday, they’re going to create a traffic jam out there in Georgetown. KENNEDY: OK, well it’s been great. JOHNSON: All right. You have a good Christmas dear. KENNEDY: Thank you, the same to you. JOHNSON: Goodnight. KENNEDY: Goodnight. . (END OF AUDIO TAPE) LAMB: You spent a year with her after the assassination and I think I read that you said she never wanted to look at the White House again. HILL: Yes, she had a difficult time. It was very emotional for her. We left on December 6, she moved out – moved to Georgetown and from that point on, she just did not want to go by the White House. LAMB: I gather she went back with Richard Nixon there. HILL: Eventually, yes, when she went back there. I believe it was – I can’t give you the year but I think it was when her portrait was unveiled, or something of that effect. LAMB: I believe ’71 , I mean I could be wrong but let’s go back to your situation, you are 28 and she was 31? HILL: Correct. LAMB: When you first met her. What are we hearing in this audio tape is it accurate about either one of there personalities? HILL: I think it’s accurate for both of them sure. You know, that voice of hers, you know unmistakable. That’s her, that’s the way she talked, that’s the way she act. And that’s also President Johnson, that was all sweetness slight when he wanted to be, it was lot of different when he didn’t want to be but that was him, that’s the way he was. LAMB: Who named this book Mrs. Kennedy and Me? HILL: It was kind of joint effort, but mostly Lisa McCubbin had came up with the idea. LAMB: Who is Lisa McCubbin? HILL: She is the writer who actually should get credit for writing the book. She’s a fantastic writer. You should talk to her sometime. LAMB: We had you here several months ago to talk about ”The Kennedy Detail,” the other book that you did with Gerald Blaine. How did you – when did you decide to do this book? HILL: Well during the process that – I only contributed to that book and wrote the foreword for ”The Kennedy Detail. But Lisa McCubbin also wrote that book. She took – she took the information that Gerald Blaine had put together and then wrote down that and went to great lengths to obtain information from all former agents she could contact and she put all had information together. It was in that process that she asked for my help it because I was in Dallas and Gerry Blaine who wanted to write that book was not. And so they needed to talk to someone who had been there. And I got to know Lisa and trusted her, ainedt confidence in her, in the process she convinced me that the information I had about Mrs. Kennedy was really historical and should be documented. And over a period of time she convince that this is what I should do. And some former White House reporters came to me and said, ”You know, we covered the President and Mrs. Kennedy. We we’re never permitted to interview her. We never really knew her. You did, you owe it to the American people and the public to document that and put it down on paper.” So after a while I thought well, I might just well do it because I’m not get any younger and so I decided to go ahead and do it. LAMB: When was this book actually finished, the writing? HILL: Well we had a deadline of September 1st which we didn’t make and we finished it on, I believe, it was November 1st of 2011. LAMB: Since you were last here, the eight and a half hours of conversations between Arthur Schlesinger and Mrs. Kennedy have been released. Here is just a small excerpt from it, I want you to tell us again. This sounds like a different voice here a little bit then what you were saying. (START OF AUDIO TAPE) KENNEDY: It was so funny because Jack thinking of being Vice President and how awful it would be gave Lyndon so many things to do. But he never did them . I mean he could have made his council and human rights or whatever it was into some, you know, going ahead with it, equal opportunity, whatever it was, he could have done more with the space thing. He just never wanted to make any decision or do anything that would put him in any position. So what he really liked to do was go on these trips and he never like – Jack would say, you can never get the opinion out of him and then cabinet or national security meeting. He’d say, you know, that you agree with them whatever you wanted, just keep really quiet. (END OF AUDIO TAPE) LAMB: Were you there? HILL: I was in the house. I talked Arthur Schlesinger before he went in to the room to interview her, on each occasion then after he came out, but I was not in the room during the interview. LAMB: Recorded in 1964 between March and June. HILL: Yes. LAMB: … between March and June. But I want to ask you Robert Harris’ book is out talking about the really just, you know, the distance between the Kennedy’s and the Johnson’s and the difficulty that Mr. Johnson supposedly had when he tried to come in to the presidency after the assassination. What did you see there? Did you see any of these? HILL: Well there was – there was certainly a difference between the two. And over a period of time, I saw it in fact – it affected me in 1964. When I was transferred from Mrs. Kennedy back to the White House detail with President Johnson as President. One of the first things that happened was we went to the LBJ Ranch for Thanksgiving. And he spotted me as I was going from one post to another down there and he put the word out to Rufus Youngblood and Lem Johns, who were the two agents probably closest to him that he didn’t want me around, that he knew I was had been with the Kennedy’s and he didn’t think that I should be there. And they told me about it and then Youngblood went talked to Johnson and convinced him that I was there as a professional and I wasn’t there as political. And so he finally agreed to allow me to stay. LAMB: When did you end up heading up his detail? HILL: Two years later. LAMB: And how did that go? HILL: Well it was just one of those things where he – there was going to be to change at the very top and they had their choice between myself and another gentleman. And apparently they talked to the president and I was selected for the job. LAMB: What did you do with Gerald Ford? HILL: I was assistant director for all protection at that time. LAMB: So you weren’t on his detail? HILL: But I was not his detail, I was responsible for the man that were there. LAMB: How about Richard Nixon? HILL: Same with him, I was – I was – during his term in office, I was promoted to assistant director. LAMB: What have you found the people expected from you in this book. You say no gossip, none of that and people thought in the picture on the cover, some people say ”It implies that this two were very, very close, closer than just agent to protectee.” HILL: We’re very close, very close friends. Very professional but close. I mean I knew a lot of her secrets and she knew a lot of mine. So you are accurate by saying, we were close. What I want people to get from the book is a better understanding of who she was, what she was like during that four year period because there’ve been a lot of books written and most of it is – they’ve been written by people who have talk to friends of friends of friends, everybody don’t have the information themselves. I happen to be there, I knew her and we had a direct relationship. And so I found and decided it was time to put it on paper and let people know what she was really like. LAMB: Did she ever get mad at you and if she did when and why? HILL: I think she got upset a few times because of certain things that either happened or – but she wasn’t the kind that really got mad. I’m trying to remember anything that really upset her. I remember when she was thrown from a horse and she came off a horse because of the activity of the photographer, she was mad but not at me, she was mad at the photographer. I tried to get the film from him, I couldn’t get it. LAMB: And who was the photographer and what was that I remember reading the book, what was the circumstances? HILL: His name was Marshall Hawkins and it happened out in Middleburg. She was riding with a thing with the Orange County hat and I was surveilling her by vehicle. We didn’t ride with her on horses because the service thought it was too dangerous, too expensive and so we surveyed her from a vehicle. And I noticed there is somebody down in the bush was near one of the fences that there were going up to jump and before I can do anything, he stood up Mrs. Kennedy and the horse approach the fence. The horse saw the photographer and just put its front hoofs into the ground, Mrs. Kennedy went right over the head of the horse. Luckily over the fence with her hands and arms extended and get a roll, got right back up – got right back in the horse and road off. She wasn’t hurt. But I was mad myself, I chased the photographer and finally got him and but I didn’t get the film. LAMB: So you were between 28 and like 32 and she was between 31 and 34, 35 … HILL: That’s right. LAMB: … when you knew her the most. HILL: That’s right. We were almost the same age. And she had there – when I was there in 1960, when I started with her right after the election, Caroline was then three years of age at that time, I had a young boy who was four years of age. And so we had that one child that were similar in age and then John was born in 1960 and I had another boy in 1961. So we had children almost the same age. LAMB: I went back and the researched the years that the children were born and Caroline in 1957, a miscarriage in’55, still born child in ’56 … HILL: Correct. LAMB: … were you there for that …? HILL: No. LAMB: No, you wouldn’t have been. And John Jr. in ’60 and then of course, you mentioned, Patrick Bouvier Kennedy, in ’63. What were – what was it like for you to be around her when the children are born and was the President there? HILL: When John was born in November 1960, you know, the President was not there because he had comeback to Georgetown to be with Mrs. Kennedy and Caroline for thanksgiving. But he left that evening and flew back to the Palm Beach. He was setting up his cabinet and everything. And I, when he left that evening to go to Palm Beach, I found that Mrs. Kennedy was going to go to bed for that night, so I went to my home. Couple hours later, I get a phone call. She had been taken by ambulance to Georgetown hospital and so I rushed over there and John was born. The President was on is way to Florida at that time, we couldn’t get in touch with him until he got on the ground in Florida. At that time, we were notifying him what was going on, he got on the press plane that was accompanying him because it was faster. It turned it around, I flew back to Washington, as soon as I was back, early in the morning and came to the hospital to see Mrs. Kennedy and the new baby. LAMB: How did you remember all these? HILL: Well, it’s just embedded in my mind. LAMB: Did you – did you keep notes? HILL: I did, but I destroyed them a few years ago which really made it more difficult. LAMB: Why did you destroy them? HILL: I promised that I would never write a book. I vowed that I would never do so, never contribute to a book, never talk to anybody about it and so just to kind of make sure I would never get my self involve, I burned everything. There are few mementos I kept, but for the most part, I burned all my notes and now when the opportunity presents itself and I decided to do it. I had to go back and talked to other agents who I work with, who did have – still have some notes. And to check everything through newspaper archives for dates and times and places to make sure I was accurate and so it was very tedious to go through this and write the book. LAMB: Do you remember the year you burned your notes? HILL: It is 2012 – it was after maybe 2005, something like that. LAMB: So what changed your mind that you wanted to – I mean what really changed your mind that you wanted to write a book? HILL: Well really what Lisa McCubbin said that this was historical and what the White House former reporters told me. And also the fact that I had read a number of books written about Mrs. Kennedy. And for the most part, a lot of the information in there is not very true. And I thought it was time that somebody brought out the truth what she was really like. What kind of a person she was and that was one of the big reasons I wrote it. LAMB: You said that she lived in seven different houses when you were guarding her? HILL: Well let’s see was it seven. Cape Cod, Palm Beach, two in Palm Beach, well two in Cape Cod, that’s four, she spent lot of time in Hammersmith Farm up in Newport that’s five, Middleburg is six and they had another house at Middleburg is seven, Camp David, The White House, 3307 N Street in Georgetown,the Harriman House in Georgetown, another house across the street, a lot more than seven. LAMB: Why did she need all those different places? HILL: Well they left 3307 N Street in Georgetown to go to the White House and then they sold it. When she – after the assassination and she had to leave the White House and she didn’t have a place to go. Ambassador Herriman offered his house for she and the children to live in and they move there and then Herriman’s moved to a hotel. Then the house across the street became available and so she bought that house. Then over a course of time, the local bus company owner decided this would be a great tourist attraction and he started running tourist buses by there and we couldn’t stop him. We tried. He refused to stop. And so she finally decided it’s time to move from this area and she decided to move back to New York City. And so we went to New York and she found a place 1040 Fifth Avenue. So that was another residence I’ve forgotten to mention. On the Cape, they owned a house within the Kennedy compound. But it got very congested there because of the business of the president. I mean with the all the press and everything else. So the first year they stayed in their own home but realizing how busy it was, they rent a place on Squaw Island the next two years, in fact two different places. One was Morton Downey’s house, the other house was another house, same in Palm Beach. They originally stayed with Ambassador Kennedy in his house. But it just got to be too much for everybody. And so they were – they had a friend who had a home and they leased the house for C. Michael Paul in Palm Beach. Right, in Middleburg, they leased the place. The 400 acre place called Glendora. While she the owner of the Glendora finally terminated the lease, so they had to build a house and they build a house which she finally named Wexford. We called it Atoka but that was another house, she lived with. LAMB: What kind of trouble did that cause for you? HILL: Well it meant that in every place, there was a residence, we had to reestablish security and to set up new communications that would – a lot of our communications agency had to do that. So, you know, it caused the problems. When she built the house n Middleburg called Wexford, we built in that house some security devices. Well then they decided to rent the house for the first summer, that created a problem. But eventually they – she did move into the house and she lived there very short period of time. LAMB: You found yourself out there in Middleburg and places like that in Cape Cod just with her and your other protection group. But she would – the president wouldn’t be there. How often were these two apart, it seemed like I read a lot? HILL: They were separated a lot because of his business and traveling and everything else. And then she wanted to spend a lot of time away from the White House and she did. She spent a lot of time in Middleburg. We go out there usually on Friday and stay until at least Monday sometimes till Tuesday. But further we come out either Saturday and sometimes Friday but usually Saturday and return to Washington at Sunday because of business. LAMB: What did you think of their relationship? HILL: From what I saw first hand, I was there. They were very loving couple and great deal of respect for each other, dependent on each other and supported each other. I saw nothing other than a very loving husband and wife and very devoted parents to two children. LAMB: I’m sure you’ve seen these and I got to ask you about this because there’s nothing … HILL: Sure. LAMB: … about this in the book here’s an interview Meredith Vieira that was on NBC … HILL: Yes. LAMB: … a couple of months ago. (Rock Center with Brian Williams video begins) MIMI ALFORD: In most mornings, when I woke up I thought I don’t want to get up and write this book. I want to hide under the covers and … MEREDITH VIEIRA: So what made you then get out, you know, from under the cover. ALFORD: … yes, I think when you keep a secret and when you keep silent about something, you do it because you think it’s keeping you safe. But in fact it’s deadly. VIERA: The secret claims Alford started in the summer of 1962 when the 19 year old debutant from a prominent New Jersey family began what she says was an 18-month affair with President John F. Kennedy. The revelation was first revealed in 2003 when historian Robert Dallek wrote in his biography of JFK that a tall, slender, beautiful White House intern was rumored to be among the president’s many paramores. At the time, Mimi declined to offer details. She issued a short statement and then disappeared. Now she is talking and says that her first close encounter with the president took place in this indoor heated pool at the White House. The invitation came from the president’s aid Dave Powers. (VIDEO ENDS) LAMB: Had you heard this before she published her book? HILL: No, not really, no. LAMB: Did you read the book? HILL: Part of it. LAMB: What do you think? HILL: I question how she could get up in the morning, and look herself in mirror. LAMB: Why do you think she wrote it? HILL: Money. LAMB: I mean I’ve quoted in your book that they had a close loving relationship basically what you just said here … HILL: Yes. LAMB: … but when you read this book, she went all over the country to be with him and either they were even – you know, right in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis, she was supposedly somewhere in the White House and you couldn’t – you never saw any evidence of this. HILL: I never saw her, never met her, never knew about her, never knew of her. Now I was with Mrs. Kennedy and we were gone a lot. This allegedly happened in the ’62 area. In ’62, we were in, let’s see, in early spring we were in Pakistan and India. I was there for about six weeks. In the summer, we were either in Cape Cod or in Ravello, Italy. So we weren’t at the White House a great deal all the time but I never knew this person, never saw her. LAMB: But your book is without any controversy in it whatsoever and I wonder – I mean you were upset. I know in last time we talked about Oliver Stone’s movie … HILL: Yes. LAMB: … and Gerald Blaine was what should we believe and what matters? HILL: Well, I’m just telling it like it is that like showing you what she was like. I have no reason to do otherwise. So if people want to believe what they want to believe – nothing I can do about that. But this is Mrs. Kennedy as I knew here. This is the way our relationship how existed from 1960 to 1964 and beyond. And there’s just no reason to put anything in there that’s not true. LAMB: If you go on, there are 50 some reviews at least and we’re recording this about your book and about 52 of them are five star positive. Have you read any of them? HILL: A few but not very many. I’m not too great with the computer yet but I’m learning. LAMB: The reason why I mentioned that I want to read one to you. And it’s full of nothing but praise about your book. And then it says ”I learned more than a few fascinating insights from this book. One, Jackie was more of an athlete than I thought. I wasn’t just Ethel and the other Kennedy’s who were the athletic gals.” Two, she was incredibly self-centered. Stop there for a minute, was she? HILL: Somewhat I would guess but not completely, not overwhelmingly, no. LAMB: And then ”Three, I have a tad more empathy for President Kennedy and his hound dog ways, Jackie was missing in action a heck of a lot of time.” HILL: Well we were going a lot but it was and – I just don’t – I don’t know what was transpiring, why we were gone, so I really can’t comment about anything that’s been alleged about him. LAMB: All right, now this is about you. ”If Mr. Hill had opened up his personal life as he is telling the story, I think this could have been a much more powerful book. Last sentence, anyone know how Hill kids turned out. Did Clint’s wife divorce him, if not should – she should get a medal.” HILL: Well my wife and I are not together and haven’t been for sometime. LAMB: She’s still alive? HILL: Yes. I have two sons. They both live in the same, in this Virginia area. They’re both employed. They have children and so they are happy. LAMB: Did you have any regrets, I mean that’s what they’re getting at … HILL: Yes. LAMB: … that you’re away 80 percent of the time. HILL: Oh Sure. Because my sons grew up without me and for all intents and purposes, they never really knew. We’re closer now than we were then because of that fact. So I have that regret. It put a very big strain on my marriage, there’s no question about it. But it just – it was my job. Something I really enjoyed and wanted to do and did. LAMB: You say you left the service, the Secret Service when you’re 43 years old. HILL: Yes. LAMB: And now if I – if I gather right, you’re close to 80. HILL: I am 80. Well that’s on the calendar, I’m 80. LAMB: But not on the calendar, you’re what 60? HILL: Fifty two. LAMB: Fifty two. You had the bad period there. When was the bad period when you talk about living in the basement and drinking? HILL: Seventy six to 82. LAMB: OK. HILL: About six months after I retired. And then until a doctor finally told me that it was either quit what I was doing or die. LAMB: And what was it like – what were your days like? HILL: I just get up in the morning and drink, I didn’t do anything. I didn’t – we have friends would come and see me, I wouldn’t even respond to them. I mean I recall two of them coming. I was down the basement on the couch. I never even got up. I just – I didn’t want anything to do with anybody. And didn’t have anything to do with anybody. Finally I started to snap out of it when the doctor convinced me to, you know, I have to change. I went cold turkey. It wasn’t easy. I almost wore out the shirt pockets trying to get at the cigarettes that weren’t there anymore. But over a period of time, I just got better and better until 1990, I was good enough, I went back to Dallas and that helped a lot. LAMB: And what did the doctor tell you that got you out of it in ’81? HILL: He told me I was either going to die, I was going to die if kept on what I was doing because I was damaging every part of my body I could damage. And that apparently scared me enough to make the change. And so I did. LAMB: In the book though, you also talk about pain. Can you describe the pain you’re talking about although this. HILL: That’s emotional pain. And some agents that I worked with still are going through that pain. And they will not even talk about the assassination. I was reminded everyday about what had happened in some way or another. Whether it was a news article, a TV show, a song or anything else. It was something there that reminded me and it really pained me because we had failed and nobody wants to be a failure. But I had failed in attempt in trying to protect the president and I knew that and it just killed me. LAMB: Well the day were talking in May, here’s your picture in the paper today in the Washington Post. HILL: I know that and it’s always there, it’s a reminder and I’m reminded all the time. But I’ve now because of my contributing to the Kennedy Detail book and now writing this book myself have been able to emotionally kind of climb the ladder. Thanks to Lisa McCubbin, who helped me get out of that dungeon that I was in. If it hadn’t been for that, I probably still be there. LAMB: What is your reaction to this – this is a Post piece and it’s just the looking at the secret service and the problems it came from Columbia? What’s your reaction to that? HILL: Well I was shocked when I heard about it. I’m very glad that the director took immediate action and without – prior to the time, anybody knew about it. They knew about it and they took immediate action before any press inquiries or anything else, he took action. But I’m really saddened to know that the entire agency is being painted with the same brush. And so that everybody has that sense that they don’t trust them anymore probably. And yet, you know, they continue to work day in and day out and right in the midst of all this, they secretly take the president to Afghanistan in the middle of the night and he has a successful trip there and back. And that’s what they do on a day to day basis. They shouldn’t be blamed for something that nine or whatever the number is other people did which was really wrong or irresponsible, extremely poor adjustment, stupid is a better word for it all and that’s what they were. LAMB: Who’s James Rowley? HILL: He was the director from 1961 until 1973. LAMB: Of the Secret Service? HILL: Of the Secret Service. LAMB: I don’t know if you’ve ever heard this tape or not but here’s Lyndon Johnson and Jim Rowley talking on the phone. (START OF AUDIO TAPE) JOHNSON: Don’t make any request in my name unless I approve of it. JAMES ROWLEY: Yes, sir. JOHNSON: I just think it’s outrageous. Another thing here, you’re damn Secret Service cars stays up right behind me every trip and you’re going to kill more people than you see, that doesn’t do any good to be right close to me and all you do is running over little children and you run over a man’s foot here, I’m writing and apologizing for breaking his foot. ROWLEY: OK. JOHNSON: And some of your men’s guns are going to go off and cause more danger than anything else. I wish you’d tell him to stay a little bit behind me so that they won’t run over the people that try and shake hands with me. ROWLEY: Yes, sir. JOHNSON: I’m writing this fellow in Georgia. His name is Charles B. Wheeler, he’s assistant chief of police … ROWLEY: Charles B. Wheeler. JOHNSON: … Secret Service car ran over him at College Park broke his foot it’s now in a cast. ROWLEY: All right, sir. JOHNSON: So that’s what I’ve been telling them about. They won’t – they like to stay right in one foot of me I don’t know why … ROWLEY: Yes, sir. JOHNSON: … if they stayed 30 yards, it’d be so much safer. And when I’m driving and I stop in hurry, they’re liable to hit my bumper and break my neck but they won’t be instructed to do it. ROWLEY: Right, sir. JOHNSON: and then Walter I think told you about all those to range what I did … ROWLEY: Yes sir, you did, sir. We got a memorandum … JOHNSON: We got 46 Mercury automobiles according to Ford Motor Company and they think it’s outrageous and Republicans are going to be writing stories on it. You’ve had them at Fredericksburg for months … ROWLEY: Yes. JOHNSON: … and we couldn’t use them if we’re down there. ROWLEY: I see, yes, sir. JOHNSON: And you might need one or two when we’re go and pick them up in Austin but I sure wouldn’t have Ford stationing 26 there … ROWLEY: , sir. JOHNSON: … because I haven’t been home since before Easter. ROWLEY: That’s right, sir. JOHNSON: OK. ROWLEY: Thank you, sir. (END OF AUDIO TAPE) LAMB: So what are you hearing? HILL: Well at least Mr. Rowley had the – and probably only talk to my phone, he would talk to me in that same way and he would poke in the chest at the same time because that was about two feet from him and it was painful. But that was Lyndon Johnson and that’s the way he treated myself and everybody else that. But understood, you know, he was just venting. That’s what he would do, vent, and then he’s fine, he’d get it off his chest. LAMB: I’m also looking at a obituary on this day that we’re taping of the former Dallas medical examiner. A fellow by the name of Earl Rose who examined everybody at the assassination the whole around it. JD Tippett, the police officer … HILL: Yes. LAMB: … Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby and all the people that are involved in that day. But the secret service didn’t allow him to do an autopsy on President Kennedy, why? HILL: Because it’s going to take too long. We want – first of all, Vice President Johnson was in Dallas as well and we wanted him to leave. He would not leave until Mrs. Kennedy was ready to go. Mrs. Kennedy wouldn’t leave without the president’s body. So we wanted to get the president’s body back to Washington. We thought since he’s president of all the people, the autopsy should be done in Washington at one of the military facilities. Either Walter Reed or Bethesda. So they said in Dallas, the medical examiner Dr. Rose and others that the law said they had to do the autopsy there in Dallas since the homicide had occurred in Dallas. We understood the law and a judge came in and he told us, this was a law and there’s nothing you can do about it. We’ve finally just said we’re going to have to go anyway. And so they finally acquiesced they said OK, then you have to have a medical professional, go with the bodies, stay with it all the time and we did. Now I understand the article indicates that they let us go because Mrs. Kennedy wanted to leave. Well yes, she wanted to leave but Mrs. Kennedy even had a conversation with Dr. Rose or with any but really any conversation regarding leaving. LAMB: In this obit, it says Dr. Rose believed many of those theories wouldn’t have gained traction meaning the conspiracy theories if he had been able to do his job. HILL: Well I don’t know if that’s true. I mean sure there’s theories that speculate everything from our changing, removing the body and putting a different body in the casket and all other kinds of things which are absolutely stupid, ridiculous and dumb. Nothing was done that in anyway change the outcome. The body was taken to Bethesda in Maryland, the autopsy was performed under the observation of FBI agents and Secret Service agents and the results are known. LAMB: As aside by the way, the fellow we talked about in the last interview, Vince Palomar . HILL: Yes. LAMB: You’ve seen his letter to the – about your book? HILL: I have not read it, no. LAMB: I’m sure you probably know that he said that ”Mrs. Kennedy and Me” is highly recommended to everyone for its honesty and rich body of truth. He actually fully endorsed your book even though he’s been critical of … HILL: I’ll accept hispraise thank you. LAMB: … are you worried that he’s not being …? HILL: Maybe he has some secret agenda, I don’t know. But I accept his praise, thank you. LAMB: In your book you say that you and Mrs. Kennedy never talked about the assassination, why not? HILL: Yeah, well, I was not going to bring it up and she never did. It was like something that she just didn’t talked to about with anyone. Even today, if you go to the Kennedy library in Boston, you’ll find that the assassination, there is only one reference to it. So that the very end of a tour that people take, there is simply the Walter Cronkite statement. Other than that there is no reference to assassination whatsoever. The entire library is based on his life and his legacy. LAMB: You say that when she slept, you slept. HILL: Yes. Which wasn’t much. LAMB: How did you do this if there only a couple of you taking care of her, how would – if you were asleep and she was asleep, who was protecting her? HILL: Well we use the field agents as supplements for the midnight shift. For example, in New York, in New York agents would be there to work when we didn’t work. But when we – when she moved, we were with her. And we had field office agents supplementing us even then. I mean to drive us around and we didn’t know New York City that well and New York field office agents did. They knew where to go, they had great contacts. If we wanted to go to a certain restaurant, they could get in touch with that restaurant and set it up for us. So they did a lot of our work for us. But we accompanied her all the time. LAMB: So after the assassination and you were there in Dallas, how did you approach the next 48 to 72 hours? What was your life like? HILL: I was completely devoted to making sure that she was OK, that whatever she needed, we were going to make sure she had. That I didn’t get hardly any sleep. The morning of the 23rd, I went home about 6:00 in the morning just showered, shaved, ate something, came right back to work. And worked until – like midnight that night and finally went home, got a few hours sleep, same way for the rest of that week. And on Thanksgiving day that following Thursday, we flew to Massachusetts so that she could talk to his father. So I mean it was something we had to do because there weren’t any other people to take our place and we knew that she would want us with her and we wanted to be with her. LAMB: And so where were you during that time period? Where exactly did you go with her? HILL: Every place she went. LAMB: Where did she go, what was her life like in those … HILL: Well, we left Bethesda Hospital with the body at about 4 o’clock in the morning on the 23rd, went back to the White House. The body was placed and stayed in the East Room. She and some members of family were there. She then went to the second floor. I went to my office which was in the ground floor. And when I found out that she was had gone to sleep because she was in for awhile, I went home and showered changed clothes, and ate something, came back. Then during the day that day on the 23rd, she began to set plans for the funeral. And she had Sargent Shriver, her brother-in-law set up an office in the White House and work with other people. And she wanted it done a certain way and they did it that way. Right that afternoon, I took her over to Arlington National Cemetery with – and we met the Secretary of Defense there, McNamara, and they walked around that area looking where they wanted the president to be buried and he picked out the spot and we went back to the White House. The next morning was the day or Sunday, the 24th, the body was to take – there would be service in the East Room for the family and staff then the body was to be taken to the Capitol. President, Mr. Johnson, would come over to White House because they were living at The Elms, his personal residence and he would pick she and the children up and accompany President Kennedy’s body to this U.S. Capitol placed in state . But before that happened, I was over in the East Ring of the White House conferring with my boss, Gerald Blaine and the phone rang and it was General McHugh the Air Force aid to President Kennedy, saying Mrs. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy were on the – we informed the White House they wanted to see the president’s body. So I ran over, and McHugh and I opened the casket to make sure everything was OK and allowed them to go see the president. In the process, she asked me to get her a pair of scissors and I got the scissors and she did what she wanted to do and then she and … LAMB: Did she cut a piece of his hair off? HILL: Yes, she did. LAMB: What did she do with that, do you know? HILL: I do not know. She had it but I don’t what she did with it. LAMB: And also that the guards that were around the casket, what was – what was the instructions to them? HILL: Well at first we – General McHugh asked the officer in charge to have the guards move out of their office – move out of the room, the East Room and she said ”Oh, no.” Just have them turn around so that we can have some privacy. And so that’s what they did. They took three steps back and faced away from the casket and that’s when she and Bobby Kennedy went up and looked at the president in the casket. LAMB: Why did she decide to walk to St. Matthew’s which is how far would you say that’s away from the White House? HILL: It’s less than a mile, I suppose. But she wanted to walk the entire route. LAMB: Since the Capitol or? HILL: All the way. Capitol down from the White House to the Capitol back to the House White to St. Matthew’s to Arlington. But finding out that all these heads of state were going to be there. Some were in their 80’s. She finally and said OK, she’d only walk from the White House to St. Matthew’s. So even then that was a problem but you couldn’t talk her out of it. I tried, but I couldn’t. LAMB: There’s more of a story to those salute from John Kennedy Jr. that he would – he had been talk to salute before that day, what was it? HILL: Well back in early November, Mrs. Kennedy came to me and said, you know, President Kennedy is going to go to out in National Cemetery on November 11th to pay tribute to the troops. And I would want John to go with him and I want him to salute his father like to all the military will. But he doesn’t know how. Can you guys teach him. I said, sure. So the agents that were working with him, Bob Foster, Lynn Meredith, Tommy Wells. They started to work with him. And they gotten him to go on pretty good. I mean he saluted quite well. Most of times he was using his left hand. LAMB: Was he three? HILL: He was then, three, yes. Not quite three. And so he went with his father and he did very well. So then during the process of the funeral, we were up in the Capitol and he got a little rambunctious and the agents took him down the hall to a side office. And they tried to figure out what to do to keep him busy, so they had him practice his salute. And he always did it with his left hand. There was a marine colonel standing in the doorway watching this, just shook his head, Colonel walked in apparently, I wasn’t there. This is what the agents told me. came walking in and said ”John, you’ve got it all wrong.” And he showed him how to salute. And that stuck with him. He did learn how with his right hand. It took the agents forever trying to teach him to do it and he just didn’t quite get it. And this marine colonel taught him about two minutes maybe and he taught him how to salute. And the day of the funeral, as the president’s body was removed from the church, placed on the case on to go back to Arlington – to go to Arlington, Mrs. Kennedy just bowed down and said then to John’s ear, salute your father and he did. LAMB: We’re about out of time. When you were working on Ford detail, President Ford was either shot at twice or there are two women in prison because of what they did. Did they actually shoot at him both of them? HILL: That happen one month after I retired. LAMB: It did. HILL: And but one of them did actually shoot at him, the bullet went over his head and other one the gun didn’t go off because an agent jammed his thumb between the hammer and the cylinder. LAMB: The reason I bring that up is that we only have about a minute left or so. Knowing what you’ve been through, living the bad years when, you know, the drinking and all that stuff, what would you recommend God forbid this ever happened again, what would you recommend to somebody that is doing what you did to avoid this kind of personal difficulty? HILL: Willingly seek counsel, that’s the first thing. See a psychiatrist. Talk to people about what you’ve gone through. Get it out because what holding it in is what caused me the problem. I didn’t talk to anybody. Other agents, my family, anyone. I kept everything inside and that’s what really got me. LAMB: The end of the book before the epilogue, you write, I mean the last couple sentences, ”We had been through so much together, Mrs. Kennedy and me, more than anyone can imagine,” and then you end it by saying ”More than anyone can ever know.” Is there a lot that we don’t know, a lot kept out of this book? HILL: Well not a lot kept out of the book. Yes, we, she and I, had secrets, they’re not in book because that’s what they are secrets. A few of my revealed about her smoking mostly we didn’t know that. LAMB: Three and a half packs a day. HILL: Well I don’t know if it was that much. My smoking perhaps, yes, but her no, not that much. Also that she loved to read tabloids. LAMB: And you had to go get them. HILL: I was the one that had to buy them but there was a lot of little secrets that she and I had. They’ll always remain secret. LAMB: You’re not going to put them somewhere in a bottle and hide them until 50 years from now? HILL: No, I don’t plan to do that. LAMB: Clink Hill is the author, Special Agent, United States Secret Service with Lisa McCubbin. The book is called ”Mrs. Kennedy and Me.” Thank you very much. HILL: Thank you. END

On duty, 24/7

On duty, 24/7

By Cory Franklin May 30, 2012
At a restaurant, you and your spouse notice the man at the next table has been drinking excessively and acting obnoxiously. You recognize him as the plumber scheduled to fix your kitchen sink tomorrow afternoon. In all likelihood, you dismiss the incident and welcome him the next day; after all, good plumbers are hard to find. But what if the man was the surgeon scheduled to operate on your child? You'd be more inclined to look for another surgeon.
The point of that hypothetical is that when it comes to personal behavior and carriage, certain occupations are never "off the clock." People in some jobs must comport themselves in line with what they are paid to do — airline pilots, elementary school teachers, bank presidents, nurses. Implicit in their job descriptions is a modicum of "integrity" and "character."
Which brings us to the Secret Service. In recent testimony before the Senate Homeland Security Committee, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan denied that a culture of debauchery existed within the Secret Service. During President Barack Obama's diplomatic trip to Columbia last month, 12 agents allegedly visited strip clubs, drank to excess and brought women back to their hotel rooms. The agents did not appear to do much to conceal their behavior.
Sullivan testified, "Between the alcohol — and I don't know, the environment, these individuals did some really dumb things. …The notion that this type of behavior is condoned or authorized is just absurd. … I just believe extremely — very strongly that this just is not part of our culture."
Put simply, despite his contrition and his subsequent claim that no security breaches occurred during the incident, Sullivan should be fired. The misdeeds by themselves are sufficient. There is no excuse for off-duty Secret Service agents acting like frat boys.
Questions about indiscretions and potentially reckless behavior by the Secret Service are nothing new. As far back as Nov. 22, 1963, Secret Service agents in Texas, including several in the presidential motorcade, were known to have been out drinking the night before President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, although there is no suggestion that it played a part in the tragedy (imagine, though, the guilt some of those agents must have felt).
During the Homeland Security Committee hearings last week, Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut and chairman of the committee, reported several other instances of untoward behavior by the Secret Service, including "partying with alcohol with underage females in their hotel rooms while on assignment at the 2002 Olympics." Lieberman was quick to point out, "We do not yet find evidence at all sufficient to justify a conclusion of a pattern of misconduct or a culture of misconduct."
Such a qualified conclusion hardly exonerates the Secret Service director.
The Secret Service is attempting to dismiss nine of the agents. According to The Washington Post, at least four are contesting the efforts to dismiss them, claiming they didn't break any rules. Some argue that as single men, they can behave as they please on personal time. Others insist their off-duty behavior falls under the category of "what happens on the road stays on the road." Legalities aside, if that is true, there is no excuse Sullivan can make for this dysfunctional environment. It may have existed before his tenure, but he has obviously not done enough to change it.
Essentially, the agents' elite status has them operating in a protective bubble, giving them an unwarranted sense of entitlement and self-governance. When any profession operates in an atmosphere with no accountability, inappropriate behavior is a natural consequence.
For certain privileged professions, comporting oneself with decorum should not be viewed as a sacrifice. It isn't. It is a trade-off. The Secret Service (and many other professionals) get special treatment in areas such as hotels, airline seating, restaurants, etc. This is reasonable, but it should be understood they receive those things because of their occupation, not who they are as individuals. So, if they enjoy the perks, they must be willing to adopt the responsibilities that come with their jobs. Entitlements carry a price. That price is behaving in a dignified manner in public. If this means updated "morals clauses" in Secret Service contracts, with new rules concerning off-hours alcohol consumption and fraternization, then the agency must act accordingly.
Obama defended the Secret Service, saying it shouldn't be discredited by a few "knuckleheads." He is understandably bound to defend the agency sworn to protect him. However, like Sullivan, the president may not appreciate the full import of this situation. It is not simply a matter of appearances, but of substance also.
One person who understood the gravity better was 24-year-old Dania Londono Suarez, the Colombian prostitute involved in the incident. She went on television and said the agents "left their duty behind." She explained that she had access to one agent's documents, suitcase and wallet. "I don't know how Obama had them (the agents involved) in his security force."
The Secret Service, like Caesar's wife, must be above suspicion at all times.
That's why Secret Service Director Sullivan should be relieved of command.

The Party Animals at the Secret Circus

The Party Animals at the Secret Circus

By MAUREEN DOWD Published: May 26, 2012 291 Comments WASHINGTON Related News Secret Service Chief Sees No ‘Systemic’ Problems (May 24, 2012) Times Topic: U.S. Secret ServiceReaders’ Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. Read All Comments (291) »

THE Secret Circus, as the traveling Secret Service extravaganza is known, had come to town. And the pack of macho Secret Service agents were hitting the clubs, drinking and hanging out with comely young women in alluring outfits. That was half a century ago in Fort Worth at the Press Club and a joint called the Cellar, where the waitresses wore only underwear. The carousing started after midnight on Nov. 22, 1963, the day the agents were charged with keeping President Kennedy and Jackie safe in Dallas. Boys will be boys. And no one doubts that being an agent is a tough job. John Malkovich, playing an aspiring presidential assassin in “In the Line of Fire,” muses to Clint Eastwood’s Secret Service agent: “Watching the president, I couldn’t help wondering why a man like you would risk his life to save a man like that. You have such a strange job. I can’t decide if it’s heroic or absurd.” The heroism is captured in Robert Caro’s latest book on Lyndon Johnson, “The Passage of Power,” which vividly retells the story of the day J.F.K. was assassinated. Rufus Youngblood, the Secret Service agent in the vice president’s car, grabbed “Johnson’s right shoulder, yanked him roughly down toward the floor in the center of the car, as he almost leaped over the front seat, and threw his body over the vice president, shouting again, ‘Get down! Get down,’ ” Caro writes, adding that L.B.J. said he would never forget Youngblood’s “knees in my back and his elbows in my back.” The absurd was captured on Wednesday in a Senate hearing into Secret Service shenanigans, focused on the drinking and prostitution scandal in Cartagena last month, but also touching on an incident in 2008 when an on-duty uniformed agent was arrested for soliciting a D.C. police officer posing as a hooker, and an episode in 2002 when three to five agents were ordered home from the Salt Lake City Olympics for misconduct involving alcohol and under-age girls in their hotel rooms. As The Washington Post reported, noting that some Secret Service employees call the road show “the Secret Circus,” one 29-year-old agent who was forced to resign after the Cartagena meshugas is protesting that he did not know the two women he brought to his room were prostitutes. Like Dudley Moore in “Arthur,” he just thought he was doing great with them. Mark Sullivan, the Secret Service director, came across like a credulous Boy Scout under rigorous questioning from Senator Susan Collins of Maine, the ranking Republican on the homeland security panel. He said he was sure, given that the Secret Service had 200 people in Colombia and only 12 bad apples, that someone on his team would have reported the misconduct — even if Arthur Huntington, the cheapskate cheating agent, hadn’t started a ruckus by handing his hooker $28 for a night worth $800. Collins reminded Sullivan that he had told the panel about a survey of personnel in the Secret Service — a muscular fraternity that indulges a wheels-up, rings-off swagger — showing that only about 58 percent would report ethical misconduct. “I came away with a sense of disbelief that Mr. Sullivan is still maintaining that this was an isolated event,” she told me. “I think he’s an extraordinarily honorable person who is so blindly devoted to the Secret Service that he just cannot conceive of agents’ acting in a way that he would personally never act. “It’s going to make it difficult for him to truly solve the problem if he can’t admit that there was a problem.” Collins professed a special fondness for law enforcement officers. “But most of the ones I know who have had 29 years of service have a less sanguine view of human nature,” she said. “That’s what Mark Sullivan totally lacks.” Dryly, she noted: “Thank goodness it was just prostitutes. They could have been spies planting equipment. They could have blackmailed or drugged agents. This is Colombia, for heaven’s sake.” Collins talked about the actions that led her to believe that the culture of the agency was warped. “The 12 agents didn’t go out on the town together in one group, where arguably some could have gotten swept away with what was going on,” she said. “They went in small groups but with the same end results. “And they made no effort whatsoever to conceal what they were doing. They were registered under their own names. The women registered under their own names. They didn’t go to an alternative place or to the women’s homes. They went back to the hotel where the other agents were staying, with no fear of ramifications if they were caught.” Pronouncing herself “astonished,” Collins said she would keep after Sullivan to treat the matter more seriously. “I hate to use the word na├»ve, but ...”

Tuesday, May 29, 2012


I am honored that, for the second time on C-SPAN (2 for 2), CEO Brian Lamb and Clint Hill (last time, with Gerald Blaine included) talked about me. 47:03

Clint talks about the JFK autopsy, burning his notes in 2005, nine OTHER agents who drank on a presidential trip (he was one of nine who drank the night before JFK was killed), and Vince Palamara

Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Senator: Prostitution scandal wider than believed

Senator: Prostitution scandal wider than believed
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and LAURIE KELLMAN | Associated Press – 9 hrs ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Several small groups of Secret Service employees separately visited clubs, bars and brothels in Colombia prior to a visit by President Barack Obama last month and engaged in reckless, "morally repugnant" behavior, Sen. Susan Collins says.
She says the employees' actions during the stunning prostitution scandal could have provided a foreign intelligence service, drug cartels or other criminals with opportunities for blackmail or coercion that could have threatened the president's safety.
In remarks prepared for the first congressional hearing on the matter Wednesday, Collins, R-Maine, also challenged early assurances that the scandal in Colombia appeared to be an isolated incident. She noted that two participants were Secret Service supervisors — one with 21 years of service and the other with 22 years — and both were married. Their involvement "surely sends a message to the rank and file that this kind of activity is tolerated on the road," Collins said.
"This was not a one-time event," said Collins, the senior Republican on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. "The circumstances unfortunately suggest an issue of culture."
Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the committee's chairman, said, "I want to hear what the Secret Service is doing to encourage people to report egregious behavior when they see it."
Wednesday's hearing was expected to expose new details in the scandal, which became public after a dispute over payment between a Secret Service agent and a prostitute at a Cartagena hotel on April 12. The Secret Service was in the coastal resort for a Latin American summit before Obama's arrival. Collins said several small groups of agency employees from two hotels went out separately to clubs, bars and brothels and they "all ended up in similar circumstances."
"Contrary to the conventional story line, this was not simply a single, organized group that went out for a night on the town together," Collins said.
Senators were expected to focus on whether the Secret Service permitted a culture in which such behavior was tolerated. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has testified previously that she would be surprised if there were other examples, but senators have been skeptical.
In his own prepared remarks, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan told senators the behavior in Colombia wasn't representative of the agency's nearly 7,000 employees.
"I can understand how the question could be asked," Sullivan said, calling his employees "among the most dedicated, hardest working, self-sacrificing employees within the federal government."
Sullivan also assured senators that Obama's security was never at risk. The officers implicated in the prostitution scandal could not have inadvertently disclosed sensitive security details because their confidential briefing about Obama's trip had not taken place.
"At the time the misconduct occurred, none of the individuals involved in the misconduct had received any specific protective information, sensitive security documents, firearms, radios or other security-related equipment in their hotel rooms," Sullivan said.
Sullivan has survived professionally so far based on his openness about what happened. Senators were not expected to ask for his resignation, and the acting inspector general for the Homeland Security Department, Charles K. Edwards, gave Sullivan high marks for integrity. Edwards, who estimated that the early stages of his own investigation would be finished before July 2, said the Secret Service "has been completely transparent and cooperative."
"The Secret Service's efforts to date in investigating its own employees should not be discounted," Edwards told senators. "It has done credible job of uncovering the facts and, where appropriate, it has taken swift and decisive action."
The White House on Tuesday reasserted its confidence in Sullivan. Obama "has great faith in the Secret Service, believes the director has done an excellent job," White House spokesman Jay Carney said. "The director moved very quickly to have this matter investigated and took action very quickly as a result of that investigation."
A dozen Secret Service officers and supervisors and 12 other U.S. military personnel were implicated. Eight Secret Service employees, including the two supervisors, have lost their jobs. The Secret Service is moving to permanently revoke the security clearance for one other employee, and three others have been cleared of serious wrongdoing.
The Washington Post reported Tuesday that four of the Secret Service employees have decided to fight their dismissals.
Prostitution is legal in Colombia, but Sullivan quickly issued new guidelines that made it clear that agents on assignment overseas are subject to U.S. laws.
Sullivan said he directed Secret Service inspectors to investigate reports of similar misconduct in San Salvador. After 28 interviews with hotel employees and managers, State Department officials and others, "no evidence was found to substantiate the allegations," Sullivan said.
This week the Drug Enforcement Administration said the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General was investigating possible misconduct by two or more agents in Colombia. Collins revealed that the case involved at least two DEA employees who entertained female masseuses in the Cartagena apartment of one of the DEA agents. The investigation is unrelated to the Secret Service scandal but is based on information provided to the DEA by the Secret Service.

Monday, May 21, 2012

Embracing the kindle age (not yet)...

Wow---while I am in over 60 other author's books to date, as of 5/21/12, only 17 of them are available in kindle (and I have yet to buy one, either. I like paper books better LOL):

1) Dan Emmett “Within Arm’s Length”;
2) Larry Hancock “Someone Would Have Talked”;
3) Gerald  Blaine “The Kennedy Detail”;
4) Lamar Waldron “Ultimate Sacrifice”;
5) Lamar Waldron “Legacy of Secrecy”;
6) Harrison Livingstone “The Radical Right…”;
7)  Larry Hancock “Nexus”;
8) Mark Lane “The Last Word”;
9) Jim Douglass “JFK & The Unspeakable”;
10) Phil Nelson “LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination”;
11) David Talbot “Brothers”;
12) Vincent Bugliosi “Four Days In November”;
13) Vincent Bugliosi “Reclaiming History”;
14) Noel Twyman “Bloody Treason”;
15) Jim DiEugenio “The Assassinations”;
16) Michael Ruppert “Crossing The Rubicon;
17) Richard Gilbride “Matrix For Assassination”;

NONE of these books (that I am in) are on kindle as of yet (if ever): Fetzer's 3 books, Walt Brown's 4 books (+ 2 cdroms), Horne's 2 (5) books, ALL other Livingstone JFK books (4), Phil Melanson's Secret Service book, the ARRB Final Report, Michael Kurtz's book, Ian Grigg's book, Dan Robertson's book, William Law's book, etc.

The Peoples Commission into the assassination of JFK

The Peoples Commission into the assassination of JFK

White House, Washington DC.     June 1st, 2012.


This morning President Barack Obama announced the formation of the most unexpected government commission of our time.

With the 50th anniversary of the assassination of former president John F Kennedy taking place on November 22nd 2013, President Obama stunned the assembled crowd and press core with the announcement of the “Peoples Commission into the Assassination of John F Kennedy”.

With more than an estimated three quarters of the United States population believing that the current official version of events in Dallas that November day to be false, President Obama has seen fit to offer the American public one final chance to perhaps learn the truth surrounding that infamous day.

The government has appointed seven board members to oversee the running of the commission, all have a close association with the assassination as all have investigated certain, if not all aspects of the assassination and researched,  written and or had published one or more books upon their search for the truth.

President Obama introduced the commission board members to the crowd:

Mark Lane
– Author, Lawyer and Researcher.
James Douglas – Writer, Author and Researcher.
Larry Hancock-Historian, Writer and Author.
Vince Palamara –Investigator, Researcher and Writer.David Lifton – Writer, Researcher and Author. 
John  Armstrong – Investigative journalist and Author.
John Newman – Historian, Researcher and Author.

The commission board members have already been joined by the appointment of 10 of the country’s leading 2012 law graduates from the nations leading universities such as Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, UCLA and Brown. Offers of employment to serve as commission counsel were made several months ago to students after receiving recommendations from the respective university’s Law department Dean’s.

To assist counsel, twenty four of the nations leading detectives from Police Department’s across the country will join the peoples commission as investigators and conduct interviews and follow leads that the commission may uncover.

The government has seen fit to grant the peoples commission some powerful assistance in its quest to uncover the truth regarding the assassination. Firstly the United States Postal service will act as a collection agent for any member of the public who wishes to present any information or evidence they may have regarding the assassination and its aftermath.

Every single Post Office across the country from November 1st to December 31st 2012 will receive, box and seal all information presented by the public, which will then be forwarded to the commission’s base of operations in Washington DC for processing.

From November 21st to November 23rd 2012 a nationwide toll free phone service will be available for any member of the public who wishes to disclose any information for the commission to consider.

However, perhaps the most extraordinary feature that the Peoples Commission has, is the power to grant immunity from prosecution for anyone who provides information or evidence in the case.

Former Police, FBI, CIA and Military personnel who previously would have been bound by secrecy agreements are now free to come forward and present new information or correct or recant any previous information they may have supplied, without fear of prosecution.

Family members of the above personnel who may have personally been told information regarding the case are also asked to come forward and supply information their fathers and mothers passed onto their families but never told authorities back in the 1960’s and 70’s.

Funding for the commission has been arranged thru an initial government grant of $3 million and a request for donations from the US public will be made in the coming days to help meet the additional commission expenses.

It is hoped that just prior to the 50th anniversary of the death of President Kennedy, “The Peoples Commission on the Assassination of JFK” will be able to come forward and present its findings to congress and help once and for all set the record straight and finally help close the wounds that November 22nd, 1963 left on our country.


From Ferdinand to Kennedy, cars played key role in history’s notorious assassinations

From Ferdinand to Kennedy, cars played key role in history’s notorious assassinations

From Ferdinand to Kennedy, cars played key role in history’s notorious assassinations
May 11, 2012 10:05:00
Phil Marchand      
Special to the Star    
There it stands in the Henry Ford Museum, in Dearborn, Mich., the car that once conveyed a president and his wife down the main streets of Dallas on a brilliantly sunny day.
Half a century later, the 1961 Lincoln Continental four-door convertible sedan seems pathetically vulnerable. The current presidential limo, U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2008 Cadillac, can withstand (we are told) a rocket-propelled grenade attack, poison gas, a landmine — virtually everything except a direct hit with a nuclear warhead.
By contrast, John F. Kennedy’s Lincoln didn’t even have bulletproof doors, not to mention a permanent roof.
As it turned out, the inadequately equipped 1961 Lincoln was not the only problem confronting Kennedy on his last day on Earth in 1963. His human shields did not rise to the occasion. The Secret Service chauffeur, William Greer, and bodyguard Roy Kellerman, also riding in the car, thought the first shot fired at the president, which — according to some accounts — missed, was a firecracker, and they failed to react immediately.
As William Manchester, in his book Death of a President, writes, “Kellerman and Greer were in a position to take swift evasive action and for five terrible seconds they were immobilized.”
In the curious 20th Century linkage between cars and assassination, two elements combine to determine the fate of the intended victim: a durable car and a skilled and cool-headed driver. It was this combination that saved the life of Charles de Gaulle in the 1962 assassination attempt mounted by the right-wing Secret Army Organization.
A dozen men sprayed De Gaulle’s Citroen DS 19 with gunfire, killing two motorcycle guards, shattering the rear window and puncturing at least one tire. It was due to the Citroen’s superior steering and suspension that it could accelerate out of a front-wheel skid and speed away from the gunmen.
That steering and suspension, however, would have been for naught had the chauffeur panicked on the occasion, lost control of the car, or failed generally to heed the first law of chauffeurs in assassination attempts: get the car and its passengers immediately out of the site of the shooting.
Unfortunately for assassination victims, including John F. Kennedy, the opposite combination is often the case — a faulty or inadequate car and a hapless driver.
Consider the 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo. The royal couple was seated in a 1911 Graf & Stift touring car, with its top turned down, when its driver made a wrong turn and attempted to reverse direction. The result was the engine stalled and the gears locked. Immobilization of a car presents assassins with their greatest opportunity and it proved so in this case, when an assassin happened to be standing by.
In some cases, of course, neither the car nor the driver can be blamed, as in the 1973 assassination of Luis Carrero Blanco, prime minister in Francisco Franco’s Spanish dictatorship. The prime minister’s Dodge 3700 was blown up as it drove over a remote-control bomb planted in the street.
A more striking instance is the 1961 killing of Rafael Trujillo, then brutal dictator of the Dominican Republic — a rare instance of car-on-car assassination. A Spanish mechanic rebuilt the engines of three cars belonging to the conspirators so they could go over 125 miles per hour, enabling them to overtake Trujillo’s 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air.
On the night of the assassination, one car blocked the road ahead of Trujillo, while two followed behind him. As the Chevrolet Bel Air approached the roadblock, one of the two cars behind it drew alongside and opened fire. (The other car behind Trujillo, perhaps because its occupants lost their nerve, turned around and sped back to the city.)
At this point, Trujillo’s driver suggested doing a U-turn and accelerating out of the trap, but the wounded dictator insisted on getting out of the car and fighting it out, a fatal mistake. His chauffeur, a doughty fellow worthy of a far better employer, was hit several times as he engaged in the firefight, but miraculously survived. Several assassins were wounded. Trujillo was killed.
A similar incident happened in 1922 in Ireland when Michael Collins, travelling in a convoy as Commander-in-Chief of Ireland’s National Army, was attacked in a deadly roadside ambush.
At the onset of gunfire, Collins’ aide told the driver to “drive like hell” — again, the correct move from a security point of view, and one that would likely have saved the life of the commander.
But Collins, perhaps spurred by a feeling he was not going to flee an ambush in his own country, insisted on climbing out of the car and joining the fray. Before it was over, he lay on the ground, mortally wounded.
To “drive like hell” is always the preferred option of security personnel, particularly because there is no way of knowing how many shooters may be in the vicinity. Not to do so proves dangerous, but president-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt had his reasons in February of 1933.
The U.S. president-elect gave a speech seated on the back of his touring car to a crowd in Miami’s Bayfront Park, (Roosevelt liked to deliver speeches in the back of this car, a convertible, because it hid his paralysis while allowing for handshakes.). After the speech was over and Roosevelt was lifted back into his front seat, an assassin named Giuseppe Zangara opened fire.
He missed Roosevelt but inadvertently hit the mayor of Chicago and a woman who stood behind the president. The Secret Service immediately ordered the car driven away with the president-elect safely inside, but Roosevelt insisted he not leave until the two other seriously wounded bystanders were picked up and driven to the hospital in his car.
While en route, he cradled the head of the fatally wounded mayor.
If there had been another shooter in the park, this delay in leaving might have proved a deadly mistake, not unlike that made by Trujillo and Collins, but this time the sole assassin was disarmed. Roosevelt’s display of calm and compassion was exactly what his country wanted to see.
Ronald Reagan’s insouciance after he was shot in 1981 made an impression on his audience, but with a president wounded there was no question of hanging around the scene of the crime. He was hustled into his 1972 Lincoln Continental and driven expeditiously to the hospital.